McKinna learns nothing from Vidmar and Verbeek!

Mariners only conceded 5 at home...it could have been more!

Haven't seen many teams as outclassed as the Central Coast Mariners for many years. Haven't seen a home coach get it so wrong either.

And can the Central Coast Mariners hierarchy or fans except that?

Celtic, my team, have had many pastings at the hands of Barcelona and Man United in recent years but funnily enough we rarely lost....as badly as this. Gordon Strachan knows the limitations of his budget when up against Ronaldo or Ronaldinho and co and changes tactics from the usual onslaught of teams at Parkhead in the Scottish League.

McKinna clearly doesn't.

Did he really think his team are a better ball playing side than Melbourne Victory, Sydney or Adelaide who all worked very hard to get close to Japanese sides in recent years?

The Mariners have always been the worst football team in the A-League. Producing a brand of football which has Matt Simon, Dylan MaCallister and Nik Mrdja as their potent weapons... passable for the A-League maybe, but never going to cut it against better football sides and in Kawasaki they met one....although in truth the Mariners played right into their hands.


Kawasaki attacked with four at times. And they were the away side! And of course once they realised how limited the Mariners were tactically and technically it was party time.

Coach Lawrie McKinna had to chase the game once they'd conceded but really the game was lost in the planning...not tonight but over the past years!

Where is a Travis Dodd, a Steve Corica or Archie Thompson, at the other end Kevin Muscat, Ange Costanzo and Mark Milligan all added quality and techinique to previous Australian Asia representatives.

With a Salary Cap in operation you should be able to recruit a couple of ball players at least.

Adelaide United a more ball playing Aussie side did well last year but they only ever played one striker. Frustrating to watch but to great effect. Australia in Asia the same! Maybe McKinna hadn't watched the games.

The Mariners have no Diego, Cassio or Dodd in midfield to create something, anything against Asian opposition, and it showed. Shane Huke, John Hutchison, Adrian Caceres and Matt Osman don't offer much creativity or real threat do they?

But still the Mariners went with two forwards against a quality Japanese side and this exposed Mariners defence/midfield immediately.

The Jets worked a better plan the night before albeit against a strangely naive Japanese side. But even with their ravaged season, Ljubo Milicevic, Nikolai Topor-Stanley, Ben Kantarovski, Tarek Elrich Sasho Petrovski and Adam Griffith give much more ball retention possibilities and a chance to play a different game. And they did both with and without the ball.

Maybe Con Constantine is not so daft after all.

Lawrie McKinna has it all wrong. The type of players he has recruited means he has little choice in how he plays. Although with five in midfield he would have had a better plan than the limited 442. And there is really no excuse for such a defensively inept display.

Have the players been coached at all? What has Alex Tobin been doing?

McKinna should have gone with one upfront, learnt from Aurelio Vidmar and Pim Verbeek. Even at home with better technical players these sides only played one at home.

McKinna tried to take a Japanese side on. With what?

No wing option, no ball retaining quality and no forward with any real creativity. How did he think he was going to succeed?

Robbie Slater said this was a wonderful performance from Kawasaki but really are they that good?

I'm not so sure.

The Mariners were an embarassment to Australia and I've seen Coaches resign, never mind sacked for less.

Maybe after five years of blood and guts football at the Mariners it's time to aspire to something better on the Central Coast.

With this style of play there is no real future for the Mariners or Lawrie McKinna...is there?